{"id":3438,"date":"2022-12-09T17:25:23","date_gmt":"2022-12-09T17:25:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/winklergyula.ro\/ro\/?p=3438"},"modified":"2022-12-13T18:32:29","modified_gmt":"2022-12-13T18:32:29","slug":"daca-ieri-putem-vorbi-despre-un-esec-este-fara-indoiala-si-un-esec-al-romaniei-dar-este-un-esec-al-comisiei-europene","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/winklergyula.ro\/ro\/daca-ieri-putem-vorbi-despre-un-esec-este-fara-indoiala-si-un-esec-al-romaniei-dar-este-un-esec-al-comisiei-europene\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Dac\u0103 ieri putem vorbi despre un e\u0219ec, este, f\u0103r\u0103 \u00eendoial\u0103, \u0219i un e\u0219ec al Rom\u00e2niei, dar este un e\u0219ec al Comisiei Europene&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"articol__intro\"><em>\u00a0&#8220;Apel matinal&#8221; &#8211; Invitat: Iuliu Winkler, deputat european.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>RADIO ROM\u00c2NIA ACTUALIT\u0102\u021aI &#8211; <strong>Realizator: C\u0103t\u0103lin C\u00eernu<\/strong> &#8211; &#8220;Danke, Europa&#8221;, dar ce le spunem austriecilor? Peste 70% dintre rom\u00e2ni sunt de acord c\u0103 \u021bara noastr\u0103 a \u00eendeplinit toate criteriile \u0219i, p\u00e2n\u0103 la urm\u0103, va fi primit\u0103 \u00een spa\u021biul Schengen, potrivit unui sondaj de opinie comandat de Academia Rom\u00e2n\u0103. Exprimarea votului de ieri din Consiliul pentru Justi\u021bie \u0219i Afaceri Interne al Comunit\u0103\u021bii Europene de la Bruxelles a ar\u0103tat un tip de solidaritate acas\u0103, a\u0219a dup\u0103 cum fusese constatat\u0103 \u0219i \u00een zilele \u0219i s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2nile precedente, o solidaritate mai mult sau mai pu\u021bin exprimat\u0103 a majorit\u0103\u021bilor cet\u0103\u021benilor rom\u00e2ni. S-au spus \u0219i cuvinte grele, dar s-au f\u0103cut \u0219i afirma\u021bii tran\u0219ante. Conform aceluia\u0219i sondaj, aproape 78% dintre cet\u0103\u021benii rom\u00e2ni s-au declarat de acord cu afirma\u021bia c\u0103 suntem trata\u021bi de partenerii no\u0219tri ca \u021bar\u0103 de rangul al doilea. Statistica e una, sentimentele, altceva. R\u0103m\u00e2n ac\u021biunea politic\u0103 \u0219i inteligen\u021ba de a ne urm\u0103ri scopurile. Iar invitatul &#8220;Apelului Matinal&#8221; de ast\u0103zi este Iuliu Winkler, deputat european \u0219i martor la deznod\u0103m\u00e2ntul evenimentului consumat ieri la Bruxelles. Bun\u0103 diminea\u021ba!<br \/>\n<strong>Iuliu Winkler<\/strong>: Bun\u0103 diminea\u021ba!<br \/>\n<strong>Realizator<\/strong>: Apropo de toate \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103rile de ieri, de la Bruxelles, dup\u0103 ultimele dou\u0103 s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2ni \u00een care for\u021ba ofensiv\u0103 a Rom\u00e2niei a fost una incredibil\u0103, ce spun partenerii occidentali, raport\u00e2ndu-se la viitoarele fluxuri imigra\u021bioniste, \u00een timp ce nu poate fi asigurat\u0103, de exemplu, securizarea frontierelor Greciei?<br \/>\nIuliu Winkler: Acum, eu a\u0219 \u00eencepe prin a sublinia &#8211; \u0219i v\u0103 felicit c\u0103 a\u021bi folosit cuv\u00e2ntul &#8216;solidaritate&#8217; sau c\u0103 a\u021bi f\u0103cut recurs la aceast\u0103 no\u021biune, la aceast\u0103 valoare foarte important\u0103 &#8211; e bine c\u0103 avem solidaritate acas\u0103. Este foarte r\u0103u c\u0103 a lipsit ieri solidaritatea, pentru c\u0103 dac\u0103 a lipsit ceva \u00een ziua de ieri, \u00een \u0219edin\u021ba Consiliului Mini\u0219trilor de ieri, de la Bruxelles, este tocmai solidaritatea. \u0218i despre pa\u0219ii urm\u0103tori, despre ce spun partenerii, acum am putut vedea c\u00e2teva declara\u021bii foarte importante. Cele ale comisarului pentru justi\u021bie \u0219i afaceri interne, care sus\u021bine categoric c\u0103 va continua demersurile \u00een sprijinul ader\u0103rii Rom\u00e2niei \u0219i Bulgariei la spa\u021biul Schengen. Este o declara\u021bie important\u0103, pentru c\u0103 dac\u0103 ieri putem vorbi despre un e\u0219ec, este, f\u0103r\u0103 \u00eendoial\u0103, \u0219i un e\u0219ec al Rom\u00e2niei, dar este un e\u0219ec al Comisiei Europene. Am avut \u00een ultimele dou\u0103 s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2ni declara\u021bii at\u00e2t de tran\u0219ante din partea Comisiei Europene, solicitarea ferm\u0103 de a \/&#8230;\/ f\u0103r\u0103 \u00eent\u00e2rziere l\u0103rgirea spa\u021biului Schengen \u0219i intrarea Rom\u00e2niei, \u00eenc\u00e2t, categoric, ziua de ieri este \u0219i un e\u0219ec al Comisiei Europene, care nu a putut s\u0103 asigure solidaritatea necesar\u0103 din partea statelor membre pentru a \u00eemplini aceast\u0103 asumare. Pe de alt\u0103 parte, am v\u0103zut, la finalul zilei de ieri, o zi deosebit de grea \u0219i de dificil\u0103, solidaritatea necesar\u0103 din partea statelor membre pentru a \u00eemplini aceast\u0103 asumare. Pe de alt\u0103 parte, am v\u0103zut, la finalul zilei de ieri, o zi deosebit de grea \u0219i de dificil\u0103, declara\u021bia ministrului ceh de interne, care este important\u0103 pentru c\u0103 cehii de\u021bin pre\u0219edin\u021bia rotativ\u0103 a Uniunii Europene, \u00een acest moment \u0219i o de\u021bin \u00eenc\u0103 p\u00e2n\u0103 \u00een 31 decembrie. Ministrul ceh a declarat c\u0103 el \u00ee\u0219i dore\u0219te o nou\u0103 reuniune de urgen\u021b\u0103 a Consiliului JAI \u00eenc\u0103 \u00eenainte de finalul anului, adic\u0103 pe timpul pre\u0219edin\u021biei cehe. O alt\u0103 declara\u021bie, tot din aceea\u0219i surs\u0103, vine s\u0103 spun\u0103 c\u0103 urm\u0103toarea pre\u0219edin\u021bie, care este cea a Suediei, va prelua acest dosar. Acum, sigur, aici r\u0103m\u00e2ne de v\u0103zut, pentru c\u0103 nu sunt declara\u021bii care s\u0103 oblige, dar totu\u0219i vom vedea \u0219i este o cale de parcurs pe mai departe. Dup\u0103 cum o alt\u0103 cale este aceea a discu\u021biei pe care noi &#8211; \u0219i discu\u021biile care au fost la cote maxime \u00een tot cursul zilei de ieri \u0219i \u00een zilele precedente \u00eentre partenerii no\u0219tri politici, \u00een familiile politice europene. A\u0219a c\u0103 mai mult ca sigur vom reu\u0219i s\u0103 avem o dezbatere pe aceast\u0103 tem\u0103 a l\u0103rgirii Schengen \u0219i a refuzului inacceptabil \u0219i nedrept de care a beneficiat Rom\u00e2nia \u0219i Bulgaria, s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2na viitoare, la Strasbourg, acolo unde va avea loc ultima plenar\u0103 din acest an a Parlamentului European.<br \/>\n<strong>Realizator<\/strong>: A\u021bi punctat c\u00e2teva aspecte. Crede\u021bi, totu\u0219i, raport\u00e2ndu-ne la trecut, c\u0103 pre\u0219edin\u021bia Cehiei poate convoca, \u00eentr-adev\u0103r, acel consiliu de urgen\u021b\u0103? Pentru c\u0103 nu au fost foarte multe astfel de situa\u021bii.<br \/>\n<strong>Iuliu Winkler<\/strong>: Sigur c\u0103 nu, \u00eens\u0103 este vorba de o inten\u021bie la fierbinte.<br \/>\n<strong>Realizator<\/strong>: La cald.<br \/>\n<strong>Iuliu Winkler<\/strong>: Sigur c\u0103 da, la cald, acolo, c\u00e2nd au fost nemul\u021bumirile foarte mari \u0219i nemul\u021bumirile s\u0103 \u0219ti\u021bi c\u0103 au fost nu doar din partea Rom\u00e2niei \u0219i Bulgariei, ci \u015fi din partea altor state. Acum, sigur c\u0103 putem s\u0103 analiz\u0103m dac\u0103 Luxemburg \u0219i Germania au vrut s\u0103 pun\u0103 presiune, de ce nu au f\u0103cut-o p\u00e2n\u0103 la cap\u0103t \u00een timpul acelei \u0219edin\u021be. Puteam s\u0103 asist\u0103m, \u0219i eu, ieri, la ora 14:00, \u00een jurul orei 14:00, chiar \u00eenaintea votului, credeam c\u0103 vom asista la o \u0219edin\u021b\u0103 a\u0219a cum am mai v\u0103zut, e adev\u0103rat, \u00een cazul consiliilor la v\u00e2rf. Deci consiliile cu \u0219efii de stat \u0219i de guvern, atunci c\u00e2nd trebuiau luate decizii foarte dure \u0219i \u021bine\u021bi minte \u00een anul 2000, \u00een anul 2015 sau 2020, cu ocazia crizei COVID, c\u0103 am avut \u0219edin\u021be care s-au prelungit p\u00e2n\u0103 diminea\u021ba. Eu credeam c\u0103 s-ar putea s\u0103 se \u00eent\u00e2mple o asemenea prelungire. Ei, nu a fost s\u0103 fie. Deci, presiunea pe care Germania \u0219i Luxemburg au pus-o pe Austria nu a fost una chiar p\u00e2n\u0103 la cote maxime, a fost o \u00eencercare mai timid\u0103 \u0219i nereu\u0219it\u0103.<br \/>\n<strong>Realizator<\/strong>: Da, cam p\u00e2n\u0103 \u00een preajma careului, c\u0103 tot este Campionatul Mondial de Fotbal \u00een actualitate.<br \/>\n<strong>Iuliu Winkler<\/strong>: Eu cred c\u0103 este important s\u0103 prelucr\u0103m ceea ce a fost ieri \u0219i s\u0103 dep\u0103\u0219im faza nervozit\u0103\u021bii, faza sup\u0103r\u0103rii, faza, eu \u0219tiu, a reac\u021biilor la cald, cum a\u021bi spus dumneavoastr\u0103, \u0219i s\u0103 intr\u0103m chiar de ast\u0103zi \u00een faza hot\u0103r\u00e2rii absolute a tuturor institu\u021biilor care sunt implicate din partea Rom\u00e2niei \u00een acest proces, hot\u0103r\u00e2rii de a continua cu fermitate, cu demnitate. Este o etap\u0103. Am suferit o \u00eenfr\u00e2ngere, asta este situa\u021bia, \u00eens\u0103 totu\u0219i suntem \u00eentr-un punct \u00een care nu am ajuns p\u00e2n\u0103 acum niciodat\u0103, \u00een 11 ani, pentru c\u0103 de 11 ani se \u0219tie foarte clar \u0219i nu e vorba de \u0219tiin\u021b\u0103, e vorba de asumare oficial\u0103 a institu\u021biilor Uniunii Europene, a Comisiei Europene, \u00een spe\u021b\u0103, care a spus acum 11 ani c\u0103 suntem preg\u0103ti\u021bi tehnic pentru aderare. Deci ce avem de rezolvat sunt chestiuni politice. Nu \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 sunt u\u0219or de rezolvat. Dar propuneri au fost \u0219i \u00een cursul zilei de ieri \u0219i alalt\u0103ieri, propunerea de aderare la spa\u021biul Schengen \u00een dou\u0103 etape, \u00een cursul anului 2023 \u00eentr-o perioad\u0103, nu \u00eensemn\u00e2nd 1 ianuarie, ci \u00eentr-o perioad\u0103 etapizat\u0103 pe parcursul anului \u0219i aceasta este solu\u021bia de compromis pe care trebuie s\u0103 ob\u021binem, pentru care trebuie s\u0103 lupt\u0103m.<br \/>\n<strong>Realizator<\/strong>: Toat\u0103 lumea a constatat \u0219i \u00een \u021bar\u0103, dar \u0219i \u00een str\u0103in\u0103tate c\u0103 aceast\u0103 ofensiv\u0103 general\u0103, s\u0103 zic, declan\u0219at\u0103 de Rom\u00e2nia \u00een ultimele dou\u0103 s\u0103pt\u0103m\u00e2ni a fost la unison, indiferent c\u0103 vorbim de partidele politice, de cei din diploma\u021bie. Crede\u021bi c\u0103 se va reg\u0103si aceast\u0103 Uniune \u0219i \u00een viitor?<br \/>\n<strong>Iuliu Winkler<\/strong>: Categoric, \u0219i eu sper \u00een acest lucru. Acum sigur c\u0103 ziua de ieri vede\u021bi c\u0103 a fost terminat\u0103, de fapt, printr-o furie, a\u0219a, un dezm\u0103\u021b al analizelor. S-a mers \u00een diverse direc\u021bii, s-a mers c\u0103tre Moscova, s-a mers c\u0103tre alte direc\u021bii, s-a mers \u0219i pe direc\u021bia analizei provenien\u021bei politice a celor care s-au opus intr\u0103rii noastre \u00een spa\u021biul Schengen. Eu cred c\u0103 acest lucru a fost un element al zilei de ieri dar nu trebuie s\u0103 fie un element al zilei de m\u00e2ine \u00een sensul c\u0103 noi, la Bucure\u0219ti, avem o coali\u021bie, o mare coali\u021bie, dreapta, st\u00e2nga. Deci avem cele dou\u0103 mari partide care fac parte din diferite familii politice, care sunt \u00een competi\u021bie, evident politic\u0103, \u0219i \u00een Parlamentul European, dar \u0219i pe scena european\u0103 a fiec\u0103ruia dintre statele membre. \u00cens\u0103 noi avem nevoie de stabilitate guvernamental\u0103. Acest lucru cred c\u0103 este \u00een\u021beles \u0219i nu cred c\u0103 vom merge mai departe pe aceast\u0103 idee a&#8230; &#8216;sociali\u0219tii sau st\u00e2nga ne ajut\u0103, dreapta nu ne ajut\u0103&#8217;. Eu nu cred c\u0103 ne ajut\u0103 pe noi o asemenea analiz\u0103 \u0219i din declara\u021biile guvernamentale am \u00een\u021beles c\u0103 nici nu va fi cazul unor tensiuni \u00een interiorul coali\u021biei de guvern\u0103m\u00e2nt. Acestea ar fi de natur\u0103 s\u0103 complice extrem de mult o situa\u021bie care \u0219i a\u0219a este foarte grea a Rom\u00e2niei, care este, spre deosebire de Austria, de Olanda, Rom\u00e2nia este \u00een vecin\u0103tatea imediat\u0103 geografic\u0103 a conflictului din Ucraina.<br \/>\n<strong>Realizator<\/strong>: Da, opozi\u021bia a cerut \u0219i demisia ministrului de interne, dar p\u00e2n\u0103 la urm\u0103, r\u0103m\u00e2n cele cinci condi\u021bii impuse de Consiliul pentru Justi\u021bie \u0219i Afaceri Interne s\u0103 le clarific\u0103m, nu \u0219tiu, s\u0103 mai ac\u021bion\u0103m?<br \/>\n<strong>Iuliu Winkler<\/strong>: Acum, eu vreau s\u0103 v\u0103 spun c\u0103 aceste condi\u021bii \u0219i de fapt, ceea ce Austria a condi\u021bionat \u00een leg\u0103tur\u0103 cu migra\u0163ia, deci vedem c\u0103 sunt condi\u021bii care trebuie s\u0103 fie \u00eendeplinite, asigurate de c\u0103tre Comisia European\u0103, pentru c\u0103 dac\u0103 vorbim despre migra\u021bie, sigur, \u0219tim c\u0103 din 2015 p\u00e2n\u0103 ast\u0103zi nu au reu\u0219it acele \u00eencerc\u0103ri repetate de a avea un pact pentru migra\u0163ie la nivel european, de a avea o legisla\u021bie comun\u0103 european\u0103. Acum, dac\u0103 analiz\u0103m solicit\u0103rile austriecilor, potrivite sau nepotrivite, e o alt\u0103 \u00eentrebare, dar dac\u0103 le analiz\u0103m, vedem c\u0103 de fapt, problema lor este c\u0103 ei consider\u0103 c\u0103 cele dou\u0103 rute mari de migra\u021bie, una, cea din Balcanii de Vest, care \u00eei atinge pe ei, cealalt\u0103, din Mediteran\u0103, care nu \u00eei atinge dec\u00e2t eventual \u00een mod indirect prin Italia, sunt tratate, spun ei, \u00een mod diferit de c\u0103tre institu\u021biile Uniunii Europene \u0219i ei vor s\u0103 primeasc\u0103 tratament egal cu cei care sunt&#8230; statele membre care sunt implicate \u00een ruta mediteran\u0103. Aceasta este situa\u021bia, va trebui s\u0103 mergem pas cu pas, iar noi, \u00een ceea ce prive\u0219te preg\u0103tirea Rom\u00e2niei, sigur c\u0103 putem s\u0103 \u00eei invit\u0103m m\u00e2ine diminea\u021b\u0103, eu sunt convins acum, e p\u0103rerea mea proprie, nu este o pozi\u021bie oficial\u0103, dar eu personal sunt convins c\u0103 m\u00e2ine diminea\u021b\u0103 putem s\u0103 invit\u0103m o nou\u0103 echip\u0103 de analiz\u0103, o nou\u0103 echip\u0103 de exper\u021bi care s\u0103 vin\u0103 \u0219i s\u0103 analizeze din toate punctele de vedere, nu doar condi\u021biile tehnice stricte ale spa\u021biului Schengen, dar \u0219i problemele generale ale raport\u0103rii la fenomenul migra\u0163iei.<br \/>\n<strong>Realizator<\/strong>: Da, cred c\u0103 important e s\u0103 nu sl\u0103bim ritmul noi, Rom\u00e2nia, evident. Mul\u021bumesc pentru pentru aceste preciz\u0103ri \u0219i pentru detaliile pe care ni le-a\u021bi adus!<br \/>\n<strong>Iuliu Winkler<\/strong>: V\u0103 mul\u021bumesc \u0219i eu pentru ocazie!<br \/>\n<strong>Realizator<\/strong>: Iuliu Winkler, deputat european \u0219i martor la deznod\u0103m\u00e2ntul evenimentului consumat ieri, la Bruxelles.<\/p>\n<p>Sursa: Radio Rom\u00e2nia Actualit\u0103\u021bi; https:\/\/www.romania-actualitati.ro\/stiri\/romania\/daca-ieri-putem-vorbi-despre-un-esec-este-fara-indoiala-si-un-esec-al-romaniei-dar-este-un-esec-al-comisiei-europene-id171335.html<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0&#8220;Apel matinal&#8221; &#8211; Invitat: Iuliu Winkler, deputat european. RADIO ROM\u00c2NIA ACTUALIT\u0102\u021aI &#8211; Realizator: C\u0103t\u0103lin C\u00eernu &#8211; &#8220;Danke, Europa&#8221;, dar ce le spunem austriecilor? 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